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02-14 03:36 PM
IV volunteer (moi) got a free lunch today + Promise of letters
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Marphad
01-13 10:07 AM
...I will donate minimum $100 for the cause.
You can't donate for a particular cause on IV. You donate and core team decides depends on priority what to do with that money.
You can't donate for a particular cause on IV. You donate and core team decides depends on priority what to do with that money.
paskal
09-21 09:29 PM
Well, it's time to break the news.:p I didn't attend the rally because
(1) the first and foremost reason: a recent surgey at my backbone , and I may not be able to walk for more than 15 minutes continuously.
(2) the second and honest opinion: Even If I were doing well, I wouldn't have attended the rally due to the yelling-nature of words from some of the Core leaders, and their pushy messages.
(3) the third and final point: The rally pictures and the rally experience of other members have impressed me very much and have totally changed my mind. So, next time, whereever you organize the rally, I will be there.:p
This is my honest opinion about my abscence. I hope noone will jump on me for my reasoning.
Regards,
IK
do not want to jump in here but inskrish disappoints me very much.
i have engaged with him more than once. he complains about someone or the other being rude on a non-stop basis. i would like to hear from him which core members has yelled and posted pushy messages. most of us desist from such actions most if not all of the time. actually he probably has no clue who core members are. after all it's not announced on the July 2 filers thread. in the past inskrish walked around with a red square to his name and accused me of being responsible for it. maybe he needs to see how many comments he gets in his user cp. interestingly enough i may be responsible for the green. this kind of passive aggressive behavior is not going to be of any help whatsoever to us.
i'm glad to hear he has a change of mind. but i will believe it when i see it. so far i see no change in the constantly complaining-accusing tone from him. words matter. constantly putting down others and acting superior is not constructive to an effort that is voluntary- each one of us- and certainly you franklin- have given up a lot to push this effort forward. words from the likes of inskrish do make me wonder why we bother.
(1) the first and foremost reason: a recent surgey at my backbone , and I may not be able to walk for more than 15 minutes continuously.
(2) the second and honest opinion: Even If I were doing well, I wouldn't have attended the rally due to the yelling-nature of words from some of the Core leaders, and their pushy messages.
(3) the third and final point: The rally pictures and the rally experience of other members have impressed me very much and have totally changed my mind. So, next time, whereever you organize the rally, I will be there.:p
This is my honest opinion about my abscence. I hope noone will jump on me for my reasoning.
Regards,
IK
do not want to jump in here but inskrish disappoints me very much.
i have engaged with him more than once. he complains about someone or the other being rude on a non-stop basis. i would like to hear from him which core members has yelled and posted pushy messages. most of us desist from such actions most if not all of the time. actually he probably has no clue who core members are. after all it's not announced on the July 2 filers thread. in the past inskrish walked around with a red square to his name and accused me of being responsible for it. maybe he needs to see how many comments he gets in his user cp. interestingly enough i may be responsible for the green. this kind of passive aggressive behavior is not going to be of any help whatsoever to us.
i'm glad to hear he has a change of mind. but i will believe it when i see it. so far i see no change in the constantly complaining-accusing tone from him. words matter. constantly putting down others and acting superior is not constructive to an effort that is voluntary- each one of us- and certainly you franklin- have given up a lot to push this effort forward. words from the likes of inskrish do make me wonder why we bother.
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paskal
09-28 11:40 AM
franklin,
hermione has been very active in helping with battling immigration backlogs in general despite her "oh so close to green card status". she was responsible for one of our better pre rally videos as well. guess we can put it down to not tolerating the whole mess :-)
you can also find her on greg siskind's blog.
hermione: sorry for not replying, been terribly busy these last few days!
we should talk sometime though...
hermione has been very active in helping with battling immigration backlogs in general despite her "oh so close to green card status". she was responsible for one of our better pre rally videos as well. guess we can put it down to not tolerating the whole mess :-)
you can also find her on greg siskind's blog.
hermione: sorry for not replying, been terribly busy these last few days!
we should talk sometime though...
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GCwaitforever
06-19 04:33 PM
See the bold text. Because the bill is yanked out, amendments are added to the bill and now it is going to be put back as a new bill.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/2007legislation_2.cfm
The Senate's Second Secret Immigration Bill
by The Heritage Foundation
FYI
For weeks, Americans were told that there are only two options for dealing with the nation's illegal immigration problem: stay with the status quo or accept a "grand bargain"--a tenuous behind-closed-doors deal, first made public by The Heritage Foundation, which contained nearly 800 pages of flawed policies. In the face of overwhelming criticism from all sides, this legislation was withdrawn from the Senate.
Now, an altogether new bill (S. 1639) has been introduced by Senators Ted Kennedy and Arlen Specter. It seems to incorporate the previous legislation, with some amendments. After it is read into the Senate calendar on Wednesday, the Majority Leader will be able to proceed to consider this legislation anew at any time; debate is likely to follow later this week, with a final vote very soon thereafter.
This schedule will afford lawmakers even less time for consideration and deliberation than they had before. It will deny them the various procedures long associated with America's deliberative lawmaking process--hearings, testimony, committee debate and amendments, floor debate, and the possibility of further amendments. Instead, according to reports, this legislation will proceed based on an altogether new and expedited procedure designed for the sole purpose of forcing the bill's many ill-conceived policies over legitimate minority objections.
As it has before, for the sake of open deliberation and public education, The Heritage Foundation is making this legislation publicly available to encourage widespread debate and discussion. Heritage Foundation analysts will be reading this legislation and considering its implications--as will everyone outside the confines of the narrow group that conceived it--as quickly as possible.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/2007legislation_2.cfm
The Senate's Second Secret Immigration Bill
by The Heritage Foundation
FYI
For weeks, Americans were told that there are only two options for dealing with the nation's illegal immigration problem: stay with the status quo or accept a "grand bargain"--a tenuous behind-closed-doors deal, first made public by The Heritage Foundation, which contained nearly 800 pages of flawed policies. In the face of overwhelming criticism from all sides, this legislation was withdrawn from the Senate.
Now, an altogether new bill (S. 1639) has been introduced by Senators Ted Kennedy and Arlen Specter. It seems to incorporate the previous legislation, with some amendments. After it is read into the Senate calendar on Wednesday, the Majority Leader will be able to proceed to consider this legislation anew at any time; debate is likely to follow later this week, with a final vote very soon thereafter.
This schedule will afford lawmakers even less time for consideration and deliberation than they had before. It will deny them the various procedures long associated with America's deliberative lawmaking process--hearings, testimony, committee debate and amendments, floor debate, and the possibility of further amendments. Instead, according to reports, this legislation will proceed based on an altogether new and expedited procedure designed for the sole purpose of forcing the bill's many ill-conceived policies over legitimate minority objections.
As it has before, for the sake of open deliberation and public education, The Heritage Foundation is making this legislation publicly available to encourage widespread debate and discussion. Heritage Foundation analysts will be reading this legislation and considering its implications--as will everyone outside the confines of the narrow group that conceived it--as quickly as possible.
kshitijnt
04-17 01:08 AM
Guys I need to tell you my story:
Last year HP acquired my company called Knightsbridge. Fragomen is HPs law firm. Everything was going well until we had this monster called fragomen deal with us. My I-140 was approved way back in 2006 and was waiting for a Jun-2005 PD to be current. In July 07, when VB was released, Fragomen suddenly found a problem with labor certifications of around 100 people. They had access to labors from Dec-06. Only they know what they were doing between Dec-06 and Jul-07. In june 07, the PD had moved a bit forward to 2004. That time Fragomen contacted a few employees to file 485. As soon as Julu-07 bulletin came out they suddenly changed their tune. The word "travel required for job" was missing from the labor. Fragomen advised HP not to go ahead with 485. All our arguments were falling on deaf ears. All independent attorney opinions were disregarded and HP decided to take fragomens advise and not to file 485 but to restart labor.
After my new labor got approved, I asked fragomen to apply for consular processing in my case. They tried to escalate it to various levels in HP and pressurise me to file I485. Finally I told my boss, I want consular and also picked up a fight with HP employee not to interfere in my GC process. Because this employee always sings the tune of fragomen. After this, they have not shown any interest in filing my I-140.
After restarting labor Fragomens service is generally upto the mark, however; they are rude and uncompromising, in that they will not share a copy of labor certification or I-140 with employee. To some of my coworkers they will not even bother to respond to him for his 7th year H1 extension despite numerious queries. One of my friends also got better than expected service in that they filed his 485 just 2 days before his PD was moving from current to retrogressed. That is the only one case I have seen with positive outcome in my company. Some employees from my company suddenly went into silent mode after July-07. I suspect, they were given under the table deals to go ahead with old labor. However I can not prove that.
After seeing all this behaviour, I have come to conclusion that Fragomen will give you good service if they see good potential revenue from you in future. Like EADs , APs etc, multiple H1 extensions etc. I think they are very money minded company and feel that they proactively advise employers to go slow on immigration and they also advise employers on how slow immigration could benefit the employer in the long run. They are completely unethical in my personal opinion. When they were describing the situation to our managers in Jul07, they were very insensitive and were showing as if nothing else had happened.
No one was held responsible for this fiasco and all good hard working people were left to suffer. Due to this I have come to despise fragomen and I also despise some big employers who use them. Here is the list:
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, ...... add yours to the list.
Last year HP acquired my company called Knightsbridge. Fragomen is HPs law firm. Everything was going well until we had this monster called fragomen deal with us. My I-140 was approved way back in 2006 and was waiting for a Jun-2005 PD to be current. In July 07, when VB was released, Fragomen suddenly found a problem with labor certifications of around 100 people. They had access to labors from Dec-06. Only they know what they were doing between Dec-06 and Jul-07. In june 07, the PD had moved a bit forward to 2004. That time Fragomen contacted a few employees to file 485. As soon as Julu-07 bulletin came out they suddenly changed their tune. The word "travel required for job" was missing from the labor. Fragomen advised HP not to go ahead with 485. All our arguments were falling on deaf ears. All independent attorney opinions were disregarded and HP decided to take fragomens advise and not to file 485 but to restart labor.
After my new labor got approved, I asked fragomen to apply for consular processing in my case. They tried to escalate it to various levels in HP and pressurise me to file I485. Finally I told my boss, I want consular and also picked up a fight with HP employee not to interfere in my GC process. Because this employee always sings the tune of fragomen. After this, they have not shown any interest in filing my I-140.
After restarting labor Fragomens service is generally upto the mark, however; they are rude and uncompromising, in that they will not share a copy of labor certification or I-140 with employee. To some of my coworkers they will not even bother to respond to him for his 7th year H1 extension despite numerious queries. One of my friends also got better than expected service in that they filed his 485 just 2 days before his PD was moving from current to retrogressed. That is the only one case I have seen with positive outcome in my company. Some employees from my company suddenly went into silent mode after July-07. I suspect, they were given under the table deals to go ahead with old labor. However I can not prove that.
After seeing all this behaviour, I have come to conclusion that Fragomen will give you good service if they see good potential revenue from you in future. Like EADs , APs etc, multiple H1 extensions etc. I think they are very money minded company and feel that they proactively advise employers to go slow on immigration and they also advise employers on how slow immigration could benefit the employer in the long run. They are completely unethical in my personal opinion. When they were describing the situation to our managers in Jul07, they were very insensitive and were showing as if nothing else had happened.
No one was held responsible for this fiasco and all good hard working people were left to suffer. Due to this I have come to despise fragomen and I also despise some big employers who use them. Here is the list:
HP, Cisco, TCS, Deloitte, IBM, ...... add yours to the list.
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kate123
02-25 01:53 PM
desi3933,
I completely agree what you said and what is interpreted in the law.
BUT if they really go by law , JULY 2007 fiasco SHOULD never happen.
If you see my earlier post, author has clearly mentioned that "USCIS does not have to define "immediate availability" strictly on the cut-off dates listed in the Visa Bulletin."
Please refer paragraph 8 from:
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0225-endelman.shtm
Well, again its up to CIS how they interpret the law... Atleast if we request them to allow pre filing they might go easy on this and allow us to file for AOS.
Thanks a lot
-Kiran :)
Read again
(3) an immigrant visa is immediately available to him at the time his application is filed.
Explanation - At the time when the application (i.e. I-485) is filed by applicant, an immigrant visa is immediately available (i.e. PD is current).
If you still have doubt, talk to your attorney and post here what he/she told you.
Have a good day!
______________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
I completely agree what you said and what is interpreted in the law.
BUT if they really go by law , JULY 2007 fiasco SHOULD never happen.
If you see my earlier post, author has clearly mentioned that "USCIS does not have to define "immediate availability" strictly on the cut-off dates listed in the Visa Bulletin."
Please refer paragraph 8 from:
http://www.ilw.com/articles/2009,0225-endelman.shtm
Well, again its up to CIS how they interpret the law... Atleast if we request them to allow pre filing they might go easy on this and allow us to file for AOS.
Thanks a lot
-Kiran :)
Read again
(3) an immigrant visa is immediately available to him at the time his application is filed.
Explanation - At the time when the application (i.e. I-485) is filed by applicant, an immigrant visa is immediately available (i.e. PD is current).
If you still have doubt, talk to your attorney and post here what he/she told you.
Have a good day!
______________________
Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
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rongha_2000
07-18 03:01 PM
Is there a thing called Double Ban? If there is ban this self centered piece of crap again.:mad:
Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.
P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)
Most people showing their cool wisdom still not getting the point. A BEC person with Feb 2005 PD may not be able to file for another 2 years while a PD 2007 person will be enjoying EAD during that time. In my dictionary this is injustice. And that's why i was kinda happy when they updated the July bulletin, now I'm not really happy even if my company has already filed my 485/EAD on july 2. I'm still wishing (and i'll be honest) USCIS come up with a reason/regulation/rule that will delay EAD for everyone until BEC people are able to file 485 OR in Oct they retrogress only till March 2005.
P.S. if you are superstitious, you want to know this: most of my relatives/freinds call me "Black Tongue" because usually when i say something unpleasent it happens. e.g. i told my wife last month that i don't believe everyone is able to file 485, something will go wrong and everyone will be disappointed. (when everyone expects something it does not happen- contrarian theory)
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Alabaman
06-29 10:10 PM
...not yet time to rejoice.
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RobAllan
05-19 04:37 PM
sent emails.
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dtekkedil
09-20 11:20 AM
they were not formed at the last moment in most cases
what makes you think people participate in those? from personal experience
in the MN chapter, it's hard to even get replies to e mails, forget meetings etc. of late though i'm glad to say the MN chapter has really beugun to pick up again.
ask the tri state guys how much effort they put locally- meetings- fliers- phone calls, all by a handful of volunteers. so all this is good in theory and yes it takes time. but the apathy (even hostility) that was encountered was frightening. ask chanduv23 someday what the tri state guys went through...
We had similar experiences in New England too!
Not to mention cases where people that promised to come didn't show up. In two cases, we had people who didn't even answer their phone calls or reply to voicemails while we were waiting to pick them up from the pickup points! That is just unforgivable! One of these "people" were supposed to be part of our Lobby team!
what makes you think people participate in those? from personal experience
in the MN chapter, it's hard to even get replies to e mails, forget meetings etc. of late though i'm glad to say the MN chapter has really beugun to pick up again.
ask the tri state guys how much effort they put locally- meetings- fliers- phone calls, all by a handful of volunteers. so all this is good in theory and yes it takes time. but the apathy (even hostility) that was encountered was frightening. ask chanduv23 someday what the tri state guys went through...
We had similar experiences in New England too!
Not to mention cases where people that promised to come didn't show up. In two cases, we had people who didn't even answer their phone calls or reply to voicemails while we were waiting to pick them up from the pickup points! That is just unforgivable! One of these "people" were supposed to be part of our Lobby team!
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06-14 02:39 AM
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06-14 07:53 AM
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rayoflight
05-20 12:00 PM
Thank You munnabhai, geevikram, uffyegc, piyushvora, Caliber, new2gc for your support
Way to go sugaur!!!
You bowled us over :)
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You bowled us over :)
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ram04
12-08 07:09 PM
Thanks to all the moral support given by Chandvu,Pd Recapturing and all others.
With all your wishes and almighty blessings today I got MTR approval and I485 into reopen status.
My earlier employer revoked I 140 in Sept 08 . Applied MTR in OCT and got MTR approval and 485 reopened notification today.
However online still not updated - may be site is still down.
Thanks again.
- Ram
With all your wishes and almighty blessings today I got MTR approval and I485 into reopen status.
My earlier employer revoked I 140 in Sept 08 . Applied MTR in OCT and got MTR approval and 485 reopened notification today.
However online still not updated - may be site is still down.
Thanks again.
- Ram
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kannan
09-25 05:41 PM
Fragoman has got lot of branches in different states,so please mention the name of the city or State , so that everybody will know about which group is bad and which is good.
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ksircar
07-21 04:59 PM
risker,
Once again I urge you to contact IV core ASAP. To start with send PM, ask for their contact number and then discuss the problem. Don't spend too much time on this forum, time is limited. Once you explain the problem to them they may advise you what should be the best course of action. The core may not be directly involved, but at least they may guide you in the right direction.
Regards.
Once again I urge you to contact IV core ASAP. To start with send PM, ask for their contact number and then discuss the problem. Don't spend too much time on this forum, time is limited. Once you explain the problem to them they may advise you what should be the best course of action. The core may not be directly involved, but at least they may guide you in the right direction.
Regards.
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mohican
01-15 09:16 AM
Hi RajuSeattle--
You nailed it man. As i said in my post yesterday what you described so well is exactly what happened and so my explanation of just 140 substitution was not accurate.
Please note the response I got from the attorney of my previous employer (the one who revoked)
This is exactly what I previously explained and what XX verified for you. The I-140 was revoked/withdrawn and the labor certification was substituted. If only the I-140 had been revoked/withdrawn then you would still be portable. However, as XX confirmed, the company used the case to substitute another employee.
Clearly the ex-employer and USCIS are at fault. I have the approved I140 and to date on my uscis portfolio it states that my I140 was approved in Feb 2005. I changed jobs in June 2006.
I am so &^^%$#@ tired, that if this does not work....I am going back. Enough is enough.
Mohican,
From your I-485 denial notice and reading some of your posts in this forum it appears that the underlying I-140 petition has been revoked by your previous employer.
I dont think they substitute it for some other employee, their is no such concept as using the approved I-140 of a individual employee to use it for another employee.
Theis is the possibility that they revoked your I-140 and used the underlying approved Labor certification for another employee, or if they have any grudge
or for some other reason revoked your approved I-140.
If you were holding an approved I-140 and changed your job after 180 days of filing your I-485, then you have good chances of winning MTR.
Please consult attorney Murthy or Rajeev Khanna. I heard they are good at handling these type of situations.
Make sure you have the valid job in a similar profession as what your labor states and your are in legal status (H1B) with the current employer.
Technically you can not use EAD until they restore your I-485 petition.
Wish you good luck and hope you will have a successful outcome.
You nailed it man. As i said in my post yesterday what you described so well is exactly what happened and so my explanation of just 140 substitution was not accurate.
Please note the response I got from the attorney of my previous employer (the one who revoked)
This is exactly what I previously explained and what XX verified for you. The I-140 was revoked/withdrawn and the labor certification was substituted. If only the I-140 had been revoked/withdrawn then you would still be portable. However, as XX confirmed, the company used the case to substitute another employee.
Clearly the ex-employer and USCIS are at fault. I have the approved I140 and to date on my uscis portfolio it states that my I140 was approved in Feb 2005. I changed jobs in June 2006.
I am so &^^%$#@ tired, that if this does not work....I am going back. Enough is enough.
Mohican,
From your I-485 denial notice and reading some of your posts in this forum it appears that the underlying I-140 petition has been revoked by your previous employer.
I dont think they substitute it for some other employee, their is no such concept as using the approved I-140 of a individual employee to use it for another employee.
Theis is the possibility that they revoked your I-140 and used the underlying approved Labor certification for another employee, or if they have any grudge
or for some other reason revoked your approved I-140.
If you were holding an approved I-140 and changed your job after 180 days of filing your I-485, then you have good chances of winning MTR.
Please consult attorney Murthy or Rajeev Khanna. I heard they are good at handling these type of situations.
Make sure you have the valid job in a similar profession as what your labor states and your are in legal status (H1B) with the current employer.
Technically you can not use EAD until they restore your I-485 petition.
Wish you good luck and hope you will have a successful outcome.
imh1b
01-13 10:24 AM
Contact ACLU for this.
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MM Singh daughter is a big shot in it.
alterego
09-20 06:35 PM
I have to admire the unbelievable energy and commitment of you guys. Especially those who organized the rally and to some extent those who attended it from far away are probably tired and catching their breath!
We need to have some creativity and strategy in our next step. Rally after rally probably is not the best way to get that, the so called law of diminishing returns. The flower protest for example gave us a lot of visibility and media coverage since it was something intriguing and new. It was fairly inexpensive and got us the kind of coverage we wanted and arguably results that were out of size with the effort.
I think we need to think outside the box and have one more high publicity event. Another rally is certainly an option for later should legislative action heat up. I'm hopeful the upcoming legislation will allow someone to introduce friendly legislation. I am sure IV's lobbying advisers will have some input on timing etc. and I am pretty sure organizations like compete America etc. also will use this to push their efforts as well. IV core ought to be in contact with them.
A few very important things came from this rally. Firstly, that we can organize such an event, in no small part due to such a committed and capable leadership team. We got fairly good media coverage in highly visible newspapers, that covered not just the event but also some of the issues facing us in clear detail. Finally the lobby day events were definitely very good. I was amazed that 150 meetings took place.
To put this in context, large national organizations of some professions have these lobby days sometimes, and they do well to get about 100 lawmaker meetings done.
One thing I wish to add is that we must develop a good way of sending out many letters at will/as per the strategy of IV core to the lawmakers at critical times. We are 23K strong. Surely we can get atleast as many letters sent in to lawmakers at critical times. If you can't send a written petition to a lawmaker then I doubt it makes any sense to even think you or anyone can alter your fate, in that case time spent on sites like this is for what reason?
Professional organizations do letter campaigns all the time and get a good response. If everyone moves on these issues it does create a splash and can bring visibility and attention.
All ideas should be collected here in this thread.
We need to have some creativity and strategy in our next step. Rally after rally probably is not the best way to get that, the so called law of diminishing returns. The flower protest for example gave us a lot of visibility and media coverage since it was something intriguing and new. It was fairly inexpensive and got us the kind of coverage we wanted and arguably results that were out of size with the effort.
I think we need to think outside the box and have one more high publicity event. Another rally is certainly an option for later should legislative action heat up. I'm hopeful the upcoming legislation will allow someone to introduce friendly legislation. I am sure IV's lobbying advisers will have some input on timing etc. and I am pretty sure organizations like compete America etc. also will use this to push their efforts as well. IV core ought to be in contact with them.
A few very important things came from this rally. Firstly, that we can organize such an event, in no small part due to such a committed and capable leadership team. We got fairly good media coverage in highly visible newspapers, that covered not just the event but also some of the issues facing us in clear detail. Finally the lobby day events were definitely very good. I was amazed that 150 meetings took place.
To put this in context, large national organizations of some professions have these lobby days sometimes, and they do well to get about 100 lawmaker meetings done.
One thing I wish to add is that we must develop a good way of sending out many letters at will/as per the strategy of IV core to the lawmakers at critical times. We are 23K strong. Surely we can get atleast as many letters sent in to lawmakers at critical times. If you can't send a written petition to a lawmaker then I doubt it makes any sense to even think you or anyone can alter your fate, in that case time spent on sites like this is for what reason?
Professional organizations do letter campaigns all the time and get a good response. If everyone moves on these issues it does create a splash and can bring visibility and attention.
All ideas should be collected here in this thread.
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